Why Mary is Not Contrary—Dr. Rachel Fulton Brown

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Dr. Rachel Fulton Brown


Dr. Rachel Fulton Brown is a tenured professor of history at the University of Chicago and a renowned medieval scholar with a specialty in the area of devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary. She is also a fervent convert to the Catholic Faith. In this episode, we dive deep into the biblical and historical roots of the role of the Blessed Mother in salvation history and suggest ways to answer objections to the truth about Mary.

In this episode you will learn:

Why we say Mary is the Mother of God and not just the Mother of Jesus

Why all Marian doctrine is Christological in nature How the medieval era got things right regarding the role of Mary in the life of the Church.

When devotion to Mary went into eclipse and how to revive it.

Why Our Lady is a powerful intercessor for all mankind, not just Catholics

The reason why all the titles of Mary in all the litanies can never exhaust her beauty nor the full truth about her person and mission.

Resources mentioned in this episode:

Mary and the Art of Prayer

The Hours of the Virgin in Medieval Christian Life and Thought by Rachel Fulton Brown

From Judgment to Passion: Devotion to Christ and the Virgin Mary, 800–1200 by Rachel Fulton Brown

The World’s First Love by Ven. Fulton J. Sheen

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13 thoughts on “Why Mary is Not Contrary—Dr. Rachel Fulton Brown”

  1. Patrick, here’s the thing.
    Almost two thousand years ago, Jesus warned his followers about being deceived.
    Paul reiterated those warnings to Timothy.
    I believe in the validity of the Bible.
    You seem to promote “tradition” over scripture.
    Which one of us is really confused?

  2. To Patrick,
    I know what the consequences are for denying Jesus. It is clearly stated in scripture.
    What are the consequences for ignoring the Church-elevated stature of Mary?

    1. You’re a very confused person. A Catholic rejecting solemnly declared dogmas about the Mother of God is worse than an orthodox Jew who’s pro-ham sandwich, a Muslim draws Muhammad cartoons for fun, or a Quaker would be an NRA spokesman. Please. If you want the last word, it’s yours.

  3. To Patrick,
    First of all, I’m a Catholic, so your assumption is incorrect.
    But let’s take a look at the exact words of Jesus.
    Nowhere does he state anything about the elevated stature of Mary. If you read the Gospels, it is clear that our path to God is through Jesus.
    Paul emphasizes this point in 1 Timothy 2: 5-6.
    And he points out in 2 Timothy 3 about the importance of scriptures, followed by a warning in 2 Timothy 4 regarding apostasy.

  4. I didn’t sidestep your question. Rev. 19 identifies the Word Of God as Jesus, and Rev. 22 warns us not to add or subtract from the revelations given by God to Jesus to share with John (which was explained in Rev. 1).
    Since there is nothing in scriptures about the Marian dogmas, it is being added.

    1. Yes, you did. To say “Jesus is the Word of God” is obvious from elsewhere, like John 1:1. None of your verses define the full concept of divine revelation, and none provide a list of inspired and inerrant books, which are 73 in number, not 66. Your own claim about Revelation warning Christians not to add or REMOVE sacred books proves too much— which is not going to work out well for Protestants post-Father Martin Luther, who arrogantly removed seven books of the holy Bible. As a Protestant, you have the “Tradition of the Table of Contents” (since no book in Scripture explicitly describes itself as a “part of the Bible”) and it’s missing divinely inspired books at that. Sad. You’re never understand the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God if you don’t understand how God reveals His truth to man.

  5. I would suggest that you visit the Book of Revelation, especially 1:1-3, 19:11-16, and 22:1-19 for the answers.
    Again, I would like to point out that Mary probably passed away before John completed any of his writings. He was charged by Jesus to care for Mary. If she was “assumed” into heaven, don’t you think that John would have mentioned it?

    1. You sidestepped the question. Those verses answer a question I didn’t ask. You can’t give me a Bible verse or passage that describes what the Word of God is. Not what it can do, not what it implies, etc.

  6. According to the Bible, God and Jesus were present before the creation of the earth. See John 1. Consequently, how can you justify the statement that Mary is the mother of God? She is the earthly mother of Jesus, however, He existed before she did.
    Paul tells us in 1 Timothy 2 that Jesus is the mediator between God and men. Further, there are several scriptures that tell us that Jesus is seated at the right-hand of God. How can Mary be a powerful intercessor, especially when Jesus said in John 3 that no one has gone to heaven, except the one who came down from there?
    Later in John 14, Jesus tells his closest followers that he will come back for them. Jesus tells us in Matthew 24 that he will gather his chosen after the Great Tribulation.
    No where in scripture does any of the New Testament writers report the Assumption of Mary! Yet, John and the others wrote their works after her death.
    Who should we believe? The Word of God, or Catholic tradition/dogma?

    1. First, please define the Word of God, and point out where the Bible teaches that His Word is limited to the words of the Bible. Since you invoke it to disprove Marian dogma, you must have a clear idea of what it is. Thank you.

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