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Beware, These Aren’t Your Parents’ Scouts!

May 21, AD2015

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This isn’t your parent’s scouting!

As if it’s not bad enough that the Girl Scouts of America are in cahoots with abortion giant Planned Parenthood, enter the push within the Boy Scouts of America for openly homosexual leaders. As it is, they already accept openly gay scouts into the fold.

But now we have more, deeply troubling developments in the world of scouting.

The Girl Scouts have decided to embrace cross-dressing children into their club. So if your little girl doesn’t want to share her troop with a boy in girl’s clothing, too bad!

The Boy Scouts, on the other hand, have decided to show their feminine side. Not to appear overly male, their leadership has decided that water guns can be forbidden. That’s right, it’s too violent to point a colorful plastic toy, containing water, at a fellow scout. Not to be forgotten are the equally enlightened parameters for water balloons – they must not be larger than a ping pong ball.

The World of Scouts Turned Upside Down

What are we to make of this trend to turn the world of scouting upside down? It looks a lot like an outright assault on Christianity and the family. The normal gender characteristics of yesterday are being shamefully turned topsy turvy.

Boys in girls’ clothing are sharing your little girl’s scouting troop, while the boys’ troops are being emasculated. This blurring of gender lines isn’t exclusively being carried out by deviant adults, lurking in the shadows. Today’s radicalization is being thrust into the once innocent world of our children by formerly wholesome clubs.

Meanwhile, children are also being force-fed an overly sexualized and homesexual agenda. All the while, girls are selling cookies benefitting close associates of abortion giant Planned Parenthood. Additionally, more and more homosexual characters are appearing in entertainment on a regular basis – even though same sex attracted individuals make up less than 2% of the general population.

Tragically, this sexual trend feeds right into the business model of Planned Parenthood, where children are groomed for promiscuity at younger and younger ages. You may be surprised to find that the sex ed programs in most school systems (and in the scouts) are created by Planned Parenthood. And they’re teaching children about all types of sexuality – as early as kindergarten.

This means that by the time our young, sexually active girls become pregnant, they are offered the morbid ‘solution’ of abortion. Meanwhile, Planned Parenthood is raking in the big bucks. The plan is simple: teach unfettered sex, provide inferior condoms, and they will create ‘customers’ for their abortion mills where the butcherous doctors kill innocent babies and maim their mothers.

Boys fare no better because valor and chivalry are no longer encouraged. Instead, they are conditioned to seek nothing more than animalistic gratification. This affects the relationships formed between the genders and doesn’t bode well for a grace-filled outlook on the sacrament of matrimony. Men no longer emulate the masculine characteristic of protector and provider.

On their part, girls often fail to fully develop their uniquely female characteristics of nurturer and the loving mothers of children. In the lack of gender-specific role models, they grow up with a muddled image of self.

Also affected is the sanctity of  Holy Matrimony, which all too often becomes nothing more than a temporary rite of passage. Of those marriages that do survive, far too many become mechanical and sterile. This leaves children out in the cold, with no one after whom to model themselves.

What’s A Parent to Do?

It’s time for us to take back the responsibility of parenting. Too many outside forces are having a detrimental impact on our children and families. God gifted us with children so that we could teach them to know, love, and serve Him. He gave us the faithful partnership between husband and wife in the sacrament of matrimony. In this way, He intended the nuclear family to be a shelter from the stormy world of secular life.

Tough decisions must be made. What good is membership in an organization, if their leadership betrays our faith? When parents relinquish the upbringing of their children to the world, their children will become of the world. This endangers their eternal souls. That’s not the intent and purpose of the godly institution of family.

With a renewed commitment to fervent prayer, frequenting the sacraments, and empowerment of the God-given role of parents, we can ensure a faith filled future for ourselves and our families. The result mortally affects the eternal future of each and every member of our family. Isn’t that worth our very best effort?

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About the Author:

Birgit is a 50-something cradle Catholic who is passionate about the pro-life movement. She has been married to her Catholic convert husband, Rick, for 40 years. They have four children and nine living grandchildren (all age twelve and under). Their frequent visits eliminate any fear of an empty nest! Birgit can also be found on her personal blog Designs By Birgit and Facebook fan page Designs By Birgit, where she shares the pro-life memes she creates.

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  • labash

    The new Merit Badges… Gay and Straight Slumber Party Campout Merit Badge,
    Tenderfoot-Scoutmaster Ballroom Dancing Merit Badge, and the last award, Order of the Crooked Arrow.

    • Flag this as flagrant abuse and homophobic …..and quite unChristian

  • JLM

    Faithful Catholic homeschooling all the way!

  • janeisprolife

    Who is Bob McCarty? And Why Should He Be Fired…
    http://www.crisismagazine.com/2013/who-is-bob-mccarty-and-why…Cached
    Jul 04, 2013 · By Austin Ruse. Austin Ruse is president of C-FAM (Catholic Family & Human Rights Institute), a New York and Washington DC-based research institute … I spoke to this piece and urge all to take a look. It will upset you. Please pray as it is through prayer and faith that we will continue the expose of the BS and GS

  • janeisprolife

    As the knowledge of who the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts have become it is not enough to just learn the facts and remove your children. We are called to speak to evil. I urge prayer for our shepherds. Our Bishops are aware of the GS agenda and have met regards the issue. For further facts please visit Austin Ruse editor of C-FAM piece…Who is Bob McCarty and why should he be fired. This individual is the head of the Catholic NFCYM. Your pastor and your Bishop need to hear from you. Bishop Sheen tells us that we need to demand our priest and Bishops be shepherds as commanded by God.

  • SnowRose

    What’s a parent to do? Don’t allow your children to join these programs, find something else for them to do. Maybe parents can go back to educating their own children…and maybe with the directions things are going, they should. At what point did parents decide programs like these were a necessity? They are no longer good for children nor are they safe. Take your kids camping, teach them yourselves.

    • El_Tigre_Loco

      My sons were in cub scouts, but I was the den leader.

    • SnowRose

      Wonderful! Parents just need to be very involved to protect their kids!

    • Birgit Atherton Jones

      The same could be said for parents who somehow forget that they are their children’s first (and foremost) teachers. When you drop your child off at CCD for a whopping hour, once per week, or enroll them into Catholic School, it isn’t an invitation to drop the ball. Their souls were entrusted into the hands of their parents by God. It’s the parents’ job to follow through – everything else is simply ancillary.

    • Snow Rose

      Absolutely! When my children were young I was not happy with what was being taught in either the school or CCD in my Parish, so I taught them myself and contacted our Bishop when it came time for their first Communion and Confirmation, he was happy with them. I’m still thanking God I made this choice, I later found out what was being taught to the children was really bad and not in line with the Church at all! I am so grateful to God my kids were not exposed to any of that…though I am still struggling with one of my kids, at least he knows the Truth!

    • Birgit Atherton Jones

      It seems we’ve had similar experiences and parenting solutions! God bless!

    • Snow Rose

      Thank you, God bless you too!

  • Sam2001

    Birgit Jones, decent article on a timely topic. First, please get the organization’s name correct; it is the GIRL SCOUTS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,, INCORPORATED, abbreviated as GSUSA., Inc., Second, the vast majority of girls and women that are involved in the Girl Scouts have no clue about any “connections” with Planned Parenthood. NONE!

    It is at the corporate (and yes, Girl Scouts is a business, a BIG business) levels both at the national corporation and with the individual franchise holders (aka Girl Scout Councils) that you will find a multitude of DIRECT connections between the Girl Scouts and other so-called non-profit “women’s issues” corporations. At the highest levels, the executives and governing board members are involved in each other’s business. It is impossible to prevent the “cross-pollination” of ideas, strategies and partnerships.

    How did the honorable membership organizations like the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) or the Girl Scouts of the United States (GSUSA) get so riddled with anti-life propornants? By adults that hold life affirming, faith affirming values NOT being active and involved in the running of these organizations. It is by the adult membership of both being just a revenue source (paying dues) and not active in the governance. It was by letting “someone else” go to the adult meetings. From the local troop or group all the way to the National Councils for both. By NOT being there, by being silent, by non-participation it was a conscience and tacit approval of the directions the organizations were taking.

    It happened with the Scouts, it is happening with all levels of government. Wake-up!

    • Birgit Atherton Jones

      Sam, you are correct – the vast majority of girls and women involved in GS have no clue. It’s highly probable the same is true of the BS. That’s why articles such as this are an important wake up call. Ignorance of the insidious intentions of the highest levels of the GS/BS doesn’t help solve the issue of polluting the minds of our youth with unsavory influences. As parents (and leaders) we must do all we can to guard the innocence and virtue of our children. The inactivity and willful ignorance must stop – in clubs, schools, and everything else to which our children are exposed.

    • Sam2001

      The way to stop this, GET INVOLVED. Don’t just pay dues, be a group leader, go to the adult meetings. Be active and BE A POSITIVE AND MORAL LEADER/ROLE MODEL.

      Preach the Gospel by your actions and behavior, truly love those that disagree with you. Find a common ground to stand together upon. And bring in LIKE MINDED friends and acquaintances. You are out numbered, bring others that feel as you do.

      Really, I cannot do it alone either, so I post, and I share after Mass, trying to get ONE MORE ADULT to commit. Then you each work on getting one more.

      The other option, and one that most like-minded friends of mine have done; wash your hands of it and go to more fertile and receptive groups. American Heritage Girls (AHG) are booming because of so many adults and girls leaving the Girl Scouts. A group for boys on a similar faith-based and pro-life basis is Trail Life USA. Both are single sex membership organizations, usually community/church sponsored.

      Once again it is for the adults to not simply support these groups financially, but to be ACTIVE and willing members.

    • janeisprolife

      Well spoken Sam and please sign on FB Make the Girl Scouts Clean Again to get facts. Consider yourself a disciple and speak out. Failure to address this and act is truly becoming complicit in evil. God Bless and thank you to Birgit who is a Pro Life witness who uses her talent as directed by her Creator.

  • Sam Jack

    I agree with you that there are pro-life concerns about GSUSA. That said – I would like to see documentation for your following claim “All the while, girls are selling cookies benefitting abortion giant, Planned Parenthood.” Cookies fund PP?? I look forward to your response Birgit.

    • Here are your answers: primary source not cherry-picked. As I always maintain: a text without a context is a pretext for having it say what you want:

      http://www.girlscouts.org/program/basics/faith/faqs.asp#a2

    • Sam Jack

      I’ve seen GSUSA in ongoing pro-abortion and pro-contraception initiatives with PP. (National Day to Prevent Teenage Pregnancy and Coalition for Adolescent Girls). If GSUSA believes these sensitive issues are best left to families, they should not involve themselves in such projects. GSUSA has also confirmed to the USCCB that they will not prevent councils and troops from partnering with PP. Many prolife families don’t want to support an organization that allows itself to be a gateway for our nation’s largest abortion provider to access young girls. I have many concerns. However, funding PP through GS cookie sales is not provable. The documented facts are bad enough – let’s stick to that.

    • Not opposed to sexuality training, especially in areas of contraception….they do a good job

    • Sam Jack

      If GS wants to involve themselves in “sexuality training” – then the organization should not claim “we believe reproductive rights are deeply private matters best left to families.” Just be honest.

    • Sam2001

      Many sites have been “scrubbed” since the National Council Session in Houston TX a few years ago where much of this came to the general public’s attention. But something that those who have been long term volunteers or employees (or both) have noticed and questioned for decades.

      There were organized grass-roots protesting BY members of the Girl Scouts (girls and adults) about some of the National Board Nominees because of their PP ties. Within days of the Media taking notice, many GSUSA websites were scrubbed of all PP references. But unlike the GSUSA, many companies and other organizations DID NOT scrub PP off the individual’s profiles.

    • Birgit Atherton Jones

      Thanks for your question, Sam. One of the linked articles connects the dots – http://www.catholicstand.com/girl-scouts-planned-parenthood-cookies-finally-crumbling/

      Girl Scouts sell cookies as a major fundraiser. A portion of their earnings are then available to the national organization (dues) as well as local troops. As members of the World Association of Girl Guides and Girls Scouts (WAGGGS), the Girl Scouts of America pay approximately $1 million in dues. WAGGGS is involved in promoting abortion, among other things. The fungibility of the funds of any organization creates a means by which every individual is a part of the larger picture.

      “We must exercise a critical vigilance and at times refuse funding and collaborations that, directly or indirectly, favour actions or projects that are at odds with Christian anthropology.” Pope Benedict, Address to the Pontifical Council Cor Unum (1-19-13)

    • Sam Jack

      “All the while, girls are selling cookies benefitting abortion giant, Planned Parenthood” sounds like a direct financial contribution to PP. Did I misinterpret your statement?

    • Birgit Atherton Jones

      Sorry, I misspoke and have corrected my error. “All the while, girls are selling cookies benefitting close associates of abortion giant Planned Parenthood.”

    • Sam Jack

      Thanks for clarifying.

    • Sam2001

      It is not that simple. Nor is it that direct. The National Corporation does received “fees” and “grants” from other for profit organizations. Fees are from any corporation that uses “Girl Scout Cookie” on any of their items. Besides Kellogg’s and Interbake (corporations that manufacture Girl Scout Cookies), there is Nestle’s (candies and flavored imitation coffee creamers) and the Mattel Corporation (Girl Scout Barbie) that are the most well known.

      Grants are given as a form of corporate “tax-write-offs) such as Unilever/Dove Brands branding with Girl Scout age level program materials. There are a few dozen at the National level and hundreds at the “so-called” local level, Individual Girl Scout Councils.

      The Girl Scout Councils are legally separate entities, but are in reality franchise holders in a regional area from the National Corporation. Girl Scout Product sales, (another term for Girl Scout Cookie Sales) bring in up to 85% of the total operational income for a Council. 85%, think about that.

      So where is the PP connection? Within the limited world of Women issues based non-profits, there are only a few corporations that have the scope, the free PR and the history that the Girl Scouts have. Women, and it is mostly women with a handful of men, bounce from one to another to another. Those making feminism a career track make use of these channels to “implement changes” and know that others are in full and complete support.

      Many of the senior executives and members of the National Board of Directors HAVE ties, personal or professional to PP. There are few “partnerships” that have so much, but without formal paperwork on either side to track or provide a paper trail. Often, it is through “neutral sounding” third parties that there are direct overlaps, but when questioned, knowledge is disavowed. (So much for Girl Scouts being Honest.)

      Oh, and for me the kicker is EMPLOYEES of the Girl Scouts, National or Councils, DO NOT HAVE TO BE GIRL SCOUTS!!! The Board Members do, or are, at least on paper. But many of them do not know the first thing about the Movement.

    • janeisprolife

      Sam…there are many ways to support PP. One would be financially meaning $$$$. The tangled web that the Girl Scouts have woven does not give us a direct link to their $$$$$ support so therefore we move on to how they present themselves. You are known by who you associate with seems to be accepted by most level headed adults. Therein lies the link. Let me remind you that the GIRL SCOUTS in their Journey Program book directed girls to George Soros with Media Matters to get their facts. When mothers across the country started exposing the GS they agreed to remove this filth and in the mean time you could in fact get a sticker. How very nice of them. However…they have no idea of how that got into their girl program material. Really??? Girl Scouts connect with PP and their role models and organizations attest to that. Please visit FB Make the Girl Scouts Clean Again and the websites http://www.100questionsforthegirlscouts.org
      If, you want to see connects for each council a site is provided and the information gathered by women from across the country and put into a web site will be helpful to you. http://www.mygirlscoutcouncil.com I see you are addressing GS websites to support yourself. I must say that is not a good idea since they have scrubbed many facts and keep in mind that they have no idea how Media Matters got into their books. You are trusting them as so many BETRAYED girls and women did for years. It is sad to say the least that supporting and then learning they have turned into a liberal, progressive, feminist group is disturbing. Sam, I suggest that you are determined to undermine and that if you want to be held as a person to be believed you need to get facts. You will not like what I am saying but I have read the PORN directives that girls are pointed to in “Gate to Womens Country” “Persepolis” etc. If, this is your thinking then you are entitled to it but obviously it is not in keeping with the Catholic faith. Keep in mind that the expose of the GIRL SCOUTS was built on the faith and energy of homemakers and housewives and GS members themselves. I in fact am a Lifetime Mbr. of the GS and I am 71 yrs. old. Our family is 4 generations of scouts. The devil has many with their minds in willful denial but the tide is turning as prayer is being answered. St. Michael defend us in battle. Your post bring a smile to me as you sir are in denial and your fact base happens to be the organization that has no credibility. God Bless please do not be a partner in promoting a agenda that is the possible occasion of sin for girls. You see to have GS petitioning for sex rights and good wages for prostitutes is just wrong.

    • Sam2001

      So very true Jane!

    • Sam Jack

      Dear janeisprolife: What are you talking about??? You said…”I see you are addressing GS websites to support yourself.” Where did I mention a girl scout site?
      You also say…”Your post bring a smile to me as you sir are in denial and your fact base happens to be the organization that has no credibility. God Bless please do not be a partner in promoting a agenda that is the possible occasion of sin for girls.” Exactly, what am in denial about ma’am? I said I agreed with Birgit there are pro-life concerns. I just disagreed on her comment that cookie sales “benefit Planned Parenthood.” Please read before you assume you know someone’s position. I do not support GS in any way and I never said I did. I do however see a great value in presenting factual and document information relating to these claims and concerns.

  • Sam Jack

    I agree there are issues pro-life concerns with GSUSA. That said – I would love to see your documentation for the following claim: “All the while, girls are selling cookies benefitting abortion giant, Planned Parenthood.” Looking forward to your response, Birgit.

  • My good lord, where do I start is responding to this pedantic tripe. There are a multitude of conflated ideas, misrepresentations and half-truths cherry picked from extremist sources.
    First, the only point in which I totally agree is that this is not your parents’ scouts. Also, this is not your parents’ social media. This is not your parents’ climate change. This is not your parents’ Catholic education system. This is not your parents’ church. I am that kids like me are no longer smacked, slapped, humiliated, hit by the olde Sisters and Brothers.
    So much for agreement: you say that the Girl Scouts accept cross-dressers….ain’t quite true. The Girl Scouts actually stated, and it’s not new, that they accept transgender GIRLS. A cross-dress is a man or woman who is sexually aroused by wearing clothing if the opposite sex. It’s a transvestite syndrome. A transgender child feels that they have been born into the wrong body which is inconsistent with who they feel they are. Transgender girls threaten no one and should be lovingly accepted by ALL. Remember that Jesus came for the marginalized. You have a problem with transgender girls be accepted and loved as part of a group. I’ll leave the Planned Parenthood issue alone because that’s a book into itself.
    Now you are also miffed that the Boy Scouts accepted open gay boys and mau soon have open gay adult leaders. Openly gay does not mean that these children are having sex in front of other, as it does not mean straight boys who are heteros are having sex in scout meetings. Inclusion, acceptance, honesty, love of neighbor and embracing the marginalized are Jesus issues.
    What really amazes me is that you say 2% of the population is gay and I suppose you wonder why we honor this minority as if they will pollute other boys. The actual data ia between 1.5% and 3%, but why quibble. So you chastise BSA because they welcome and accommodate 2% of the population who are “homosexual”. Yet, you never mention that the RCC accommodates a clerical club of men (priests) who have a significantly higher homosexual membership. The lowest research figure that I could cull was that 24% of priests are gay, I have seen figures from some studies that exceed 50% and that the highest percentage exists among young seminarians. Seminary directors also evidence concern about the femininization of the clergy. I could provide links to tens of authoritative studies.. If I were a RCC would worry about the clerical club more than the boy scouts.Francis admitted that 2% of priests are pedophiles, and you dare worry about the Boy Scouts.
    I am happy that the Boy and Girl Scouts are not like those in parents’ day….change is good, except in the limited world of extremism.
    Also, I hate the expression “boys will be boys.” It is a justification for bullying, harassment, physical aggression, sexual harassment and rape. It is a pitiful and regrettable expression to explain outrageous behavior.
    This new world, not like our parents’ world, is a better and safer place for young men and women and inclusion of the marginalized is Christ-like imitation.
    Above all, Girl Scout cookies are second to none….

    • Birgit Atherton Jones

      “…multitude of conflated ideas, misrepresentations and half-truths cherry picked from extremist sources.” Huffington Post, NY Daily News, CNN, Daily Mail, and the Washington Post are among the sources used for this article. Since you’re so far off reality with your claim of extremist sources etc., I’ll just let the rest of your outrageous accusations stand alone – exposed for the provocation they are intended to be. I find it odd that someone who has such obvious disdain for the Catholic Church regularly comments.

    • Not disdain for the RCC but rather how the message of Christ is distorted to marginalize kids; the sources are rightist and the interpretations are extremist….answer my objections, please.

    • TomD

      “I stay on the sight because I feel that rightist positions must be confronted for inclusion of the marginalized to be accepted . . .”

      If by “accepted” you mean that we must treat individuals as individuals and love them, that is one thing. If by “accepted” you mean that we must alter Church teaching in order to normalize immoral behavior and attitudes, in keeping with the preferences of the world, that is quite another. To love one another as one’s self is not a broad call for “acceptance” of every manner of attitude and behavior that makes up the human condition.

      That there are confused children who may prematurely believe that they are gay, lesbian or transgendered requires us to treat them personally with love and kindness, while, among other things, not permitting them to be used by adults to further an ideological and political agenda. The boundary between these two realities is impossible to determine in advance, but that the boundary exists, and must be acknowledge and lived, there is no doubt. That is one of the key challenges to living a truly Christian life.

    • Cody

      What Phil is really saying, is that he is an equal opportunity hater, hating Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, heterosexuals and all countries which haven’t embraced gender theory, including the Chinese communists who allow faith to some extent in their country but voted against extending the LGBTQ agenda at the UN in January 2015 along with 42 other countries.

      It doesn’t matter that Phil is allowed to live with whomever he wishes and that many countries have civil unions with equal benefits for homosexuals, no, he must decouple marriage and heterosexuality from nature and he must bring down the God of nature before his genius and sense of justice will rest.

    • Cody

      Designations and relationships are exclusionary by nature. Each designation or relationship is unique from the next. The term boys or girls refers to humans who are genetically boys or girls, distinguishing one from the other, not those who feel they are boys or girls due to their internal hormonal interpretations. Hormone transfer therapy doesn’t change the genetic make up of the person receiving the therapy. If one were really a boy or girl, when genetically they are the opposite, they would not need the therapy.

    • One’s sexual orientation is a function of genetics and nurture. One can have a body of a girl, but the psychological identity of a boy….it’s called transgender. Our call as Christians is to love ALL people, period. By the way are you familiar with hermaphrodites? Should we exclude them as a special class designated for exclusion. There is more to gender than genetics…take Biology 101.

    • Cody

      Hermaphrodite is a genetic state and one in a thousand. Gender theory has nothing to do with genetics. There is no homosexual gene. You misunderstand yourself, it is you who exclude a mother from the child and that crime against children falls squarely on the shoulders of homosexual men. It is the homosexual who is excluding the mother.

    • Oh,

      http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/41472/title/Zeroing-in-on-the–Gay-Gene-/

      Many hetero families thrive without a father or mother, who may be absent, dead, etc. You need a loving parent, period. Stop making up stuff without scientific data.

    • Cody

      Exactly what I said, you deny the unique nature of mother and father. Such is the violence of the exclusionary nature of homosexuality. I should have qualified my statement for the pedantic, with the obvious, whenever possible. By law, the unique primacy of motherhood is dismissed by homosexual contracts and this is an evil against children, which you by your exclusivity and disassociation from the opposite sex, will not acknowledge.

    • You say;I should have qualified my statement for the pedantic, with the obvious, whenever possible. By law, the unique primacy of motherhood is dismissed by homosexual contracts and this is an evil against children, which you by your exclusivity and disassociation from the opposite sex, will not acknowledge
      1.By law, please cite the law!
      2.The unique primary of motherhood is dismissed? Well, is this true when a child has two mothers who are lesbians…does that double the primacy of motherhood?
      3.pedantic

      [puh-dan-tik]
      Spell Syllables
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      adjective
      1.
      ostentatious in one’s learning.
      2.
      overly concerned with minute details or formalisms, especially inteaching.

      Am I too ostentatious or too concerned with detail or formalism?

      Details are needed in a response to a post which makes statements without corroboration or context

    • Cody

      Yes, you’re being pedantic. Of course I wasn’t saying when the mother dies in child birth for instance. In a divorce the child would go to the mother, unless the state proved the mother unfit. Now with two men, who does the child go to? The state gains more power over the child than previously. With two women, does the biological mother still hold primacy and how does that fit with gender theory, which negates biological gender. Why can’t the biological mother claim to be the father and the non biological parent, claim to be the mother?

      These are real issues, not issues of tolerance or treating people with dignity. They are issues of territory, of identity, the intimacies of motherhood, the earliest identification processes of a hand opening and closing in the womb, things in the real world. Today there are claims that homosexuality is determined prenatally in the formation of glands. So these are real things and we know very little about them, which is why the issues are more complex than tolerance, intimidation or name calling. These are very important things.

    • Sorry that I provide to many details, too much logic, too many sources. Regardless of gay or hetero divorce, the parent most fit as determined by professionals gets a greater custody percentage.
      You refuse to address many of my objections: like what are your sources of data? what do you mean by gender theory (Berns?) Above all, why are you so obsessed with homosexuals when Catholic clergy are minimally 23% to higher than 50% homosexual. I can give you data from actual studies. Why does the RCC attract a percentage of priests who are homosexual much higher than the population at large which is 1.5-3% based on the scientific study. You are willing to be embracing priests but not gay parents? You leave me confused. I am willing to continue this dialogue if you answer questions and objections and provide data. I will provide you any data on any assertion that make.

    • Cody

      I’ll get to all your questions, but my concern is marriage and children and what they are being taught in regards to nature.

      Yes, in regard to custody, you have explained my point. Up until recently the mother always got the children and the man paid alimony or at least child support while the woman would raise the children, now that has changed and the state will take over the primacy of the mother. It’s been available to meet the demands of egalitarians, but the primacy of the mother still continues, though it is being dismantled by the new precedents homosexuals are bringing to the courts.

    • Cody

      Like the Boy Scouts, the priesthood is going to attract pedophiles, though true pedophiles are rare and most crimes are pederasty. The Scouts have initiated strict rules about never being alone with any child other than one’s own and this is the argument for now allowing homosexual leaders into the Scouts, since none are left alone with any child other than their own.

      I’m not on a witch hunt against homosexuality here. My concern is the redefinition of marriage and the redefinition of gender and its falsehoods. People aren’t against homosexual living peacefully or civil unions. What they are concerned about is the exclusionary nature of homosexuality manipulating the public into a nihilistic hedonism or ideology decoupled from reality and packed with propaganda and lies. The culture itself is already a form of economic hedonism, just itching to decouple itself from all biological realities, but the homosexual cause with its unchallenged propaganda is the useful idiot in the room to hurry the program along.

    • http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/07/29/catholic-priests-its-empirical-fact-that-many-clergy-are-gay

      I would more trust my son to a gay boy scout leader. By the way refer to my previous comment…I am a heterosexual, married male with two kids.

    • Cody

      Your answer has nothing to do with anything. Besides many proponents of homosexual marriage claim to be married parents of children for decades, etc. The issue is the decoupling with biological realities as I’ve mentioned again and again which doesn’t seem to phase you at all. In fact, nothing seems to phase you and you are quite glib about areas humans know very little about, such as identifications. Yet we have had our heterosexual identifications mocked for some fifty years now. It’s not only cruel, but now it’s moved into an area of plain falsehoods. Mothers and fathers are unique to two men and two women and telling children otherwise is criminal. Giving an infant to two men is a crime against the infant who has a right to a mother, even if an adopted mother. Sorry but it is you who have side stepped my points over and over.

    • When someone cannot admit and apologize to someone for assuming they are gay or anything else….the conversation ends. I wish you the best in your beliefs…

    • Cody

      If you were gay it wouldn’t need apologizing for. What I assumed has nothing to do with you avoiding key issues that concern many people. Go ahead and teach your grandkids that you and your wife are the same as two men or the same as two women. I can’t stop you.

    • Cody

      Worldwide, most do care. Only where people like yourself attack others from their own arrogance and run away from the complicated issues do people think this is a simplistic issue of justice. But these issues aren’t going to go away because they are real and they involve real mothers and real children who are being lied to.

    • Falmouth, MA locuta; causa finita est,

    • Cody

      Maybe you would be better off explaining how you muffed the simple passage from Matthew and your equally ignorant attack on the faith which you know nothing about.

    • I do not reply to personal attacks, neither would Jesus.

    • Cody

      So you’re allowed to mock people’s faith and play smart, but no one else is?
      And you continue to play believer when you clearly know nothing about Jesus, nor believe in Him. Who do you think you’re fooling?

    • I do not reply to personal attacks, neither would Jesus

    • Cody

      You are incorrect when you say say inclusion is Christ-like imitation. Christ is the author of nature and it is He who said, in the beginning they were made man and woman. Homosexuality excludes the opposite sex, that is why it is called homosexual. It is exclusionary. The reason homosexuals invented gender therapy was to remove the exclusionary nature of homosexuality, blending it into a sliding scale of hormonal interpretation with heterosexuality, but it’s genetically nonsense. It also fails to explain the lack of the homosexuality in nature and the power of external identifications in nature. It is used to teach children that their Mom and Dad are no different than two women or two men. It is not inclusive, but exclusive, excluding the unique nature of male and female and excluding a mother or father from children, whom by nature they crave. It is an act of violence against children and nature because it is a lie.

    • Virtually every statement you make is incorrect or erroneous.

      1. Your statement is that in the beginning He (I assume you mean god) made man and woman must come from Genesis. Everyone (except young creationists) know that Genesis is the Jewish creation myth…all religions have creation myths. Genesis is not a scientific nor historical treatise because in either case it’s wrong. It was written 4000 years ago and homo sapiens sapiens achieved behavioral normalcy at least 65,000 years ago, The Jews were nomadic clans so Genesis was written to encourage the spread of this race.

      2. Homosexuality does not exist in nature…..wrong! It exists in all creation. Here’s a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

      3. Christ was inclusionary: he mixed with the poor, the prostitutes, the rich, pretty much everyone. The Church needs to include the gays, transgenders, stc. I didn’t say approve of homosexual acts because that is an exclusionary Catholic, not Christian position. All should be welcome….as Francis said “Who am I to judge?”

      4. If Christ meant us to be exclusionary to gays, why is it that half of the clergy are gay? I can give you much data?

      5. Therapy which attempts to make gays straight is abusive, condemned by the UN and WHO, doesn’t work and is banned in some state and condemned by psychological and psychiatric associations. Reparative therapy os a hoax. I can provide much documentation.

      You are off base and Christ mandates acceptance and love of ALL people…not their behavior in the Catholic sense, but themselves.

      May God have mercy on you.

    • Cody

      1) No, Jesus repeated the statement, defining marriage in Matthew 19:4-6.
      2) The wiki page explains that homosexuality, as it is known to us, doesn’t exist in nature. In fact there’s a picture of a female domestic dog mounting another dog in some kind of imitative act. Such acts appear more frequently in environments with human interference. It exists in one species of ram to the exclusion of females but the dominant male furthers the species.

      3,4) Christ calls us to Himself and to love one another in His spirit, or as oneself in Him, not by the human spirit but by His spirit. We are to overcome ourselves, the spirit of the flesh, to die and be reborn in the spirit of God. This is the God you are trying to take down. His heart is opened to you, but you are trying to take down the God of nature and man.

    • Matthew: Listen carefully….a text without a context is a pretext for having it say what you want…..this is about divorce.
      The last paragraph has no relevance to the discussion of being a welcoming people to ALL. I will diregard the last phrase because you are applying it to yur self.
      “That which can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof “(Hitchens)

    • Cody

      Read it again. Jesus is being tested by some smart guys like yourself. He answers them definitively explaining the unifying nature of marriage as making the two into one flesh as it was meant to be in the beginning, male and female becoming one flesh. Then he admonishes them for having a had a hard heart in the time of Moses. Implied is the conditional reality, that now that He has come, it is to be as He said, restored. Jesus was removing the permission to divorce. He then went on to explain the station of single life finishing in 19:11.

      The last paragraph I wrote has everything to do with being welcomed. We are welcomed and called to His spirit, not our own. That’s what the faith is. Christ doesn’t answer to Hitchens. Sure you can dismiss it, but that disqualifies you from commenting on our faith and what it means, because His faith doesn’t answer to us either, we answer to it, which is Him, His love, His authority which is love and mercy itself, not to be confused with our pleasures, likes and dislikes.

    • Cody

      5) Heroine addicts overcome themselves through Christ, but you say no, your behavior is congenital, though it is not genetic. Yes, it is a hormonal interpretation and of identity, that seems fairly clear, yet no gene marker exists for such. Some have even claimed it is the size of the gland which plays into it, but this is grasping at thin air.

      I didn’t say anything about not loving people. I’m saying that gender theory is an extension of the exclusionary nature of homosexuality, denying the opposite sex its validity and an excuse for denying children a mother, a violence against children, nature and its God.

    • Heroine addicts, food addicts, etc are the result of an repeated release of dopamine (pleasure principle) in the brain and a reduction of prolactin which brings pleasure into homeostatis balance. Addiction is overcome by therapy, detox, etc. not Christ. There is a clear genetic link to a propensity for all addictions.
      You use the word “gender theory: ? Are you referring to Sandra Bern and her thoughts from 1981? Gender? Orientation? what are you talking about?

    • Cody

      Yes, technically that’s an explanation of sensual addiction as well, no? There’s a difference between a chocolate addict, a meth addict, a sex addict, an alcoholic, cigarettes and a heroine addict, but they are all behaviors which are habit forming. You say Christ isn’t real, but others say otherwise, yet you have a lot to say about the faith. Now, what makes you think your sexuality can’t be overcome like an addict? I don’t know the answer. I can speak for myself. I’m asking you because you said it was a form of cruelty to administer such a treatment upon sexuality and yet here you glibly state that it’s all just a matter of therapy and readjusting the chemical balance. Then you add that such is a genetic disposition.

      Gender Theory originated with Bern yes, but is now the justification for the government spending lots of money on sex operations and hormone transfer therapy as well as teaching children that being male and female is a matter of feeling, or that two males or two females are the same as Mom and Dad. Why do pretend not to know this?

    • Cody, you state: “Now, what makes you think your sexuality can’t be overcome like an addict?” My sexuality is a problem for you? Look st my picture….I am heterosexual, married to a woman for 35 years (same one), have two kids (one a spastic quadriplegic, 29 years old, whom I care for 24/7 at home), an accomplished daughter (31 years old) and I am 67.
      Just why should I change my sexuality. Because I defend the rights of the GLTQ community to be full members of a society and a Church does not make me gay, nor have I stated that I was gay. Google my name….you will see the opposite of what you assume. I fight injustice, my whole life. I was a member of a RCC Order of Religious for 8 years, I fight for justice.
      ANd why should I overcome my addition? Which is what?

    • Cody

      The point doesn’t change and you didn’t answer it. You stated earlier that such therapy is criminal. I’m asking the obvious after your pronouncement on Christ and therapy. Why is it criminal if it involves the same hormonal abuse?

    • Cody

      I know what the UN thinks. That’s why 43 countries voted to stop them at the UN in January. Why do you say it is criminal according to the statement you made? Might you explain what the difference is with the other addictions or hormonal abuses as per your statement? I already admitted I don’t have the answer.

      What I’m trying to say is that you contradicted yourself.

  • pupsncats

    Everything wholesome must go in the world which has embraced evil as good. Nothing good is to be left untouched. The soldiers of the prince of darkness, Satan, have banned together and converged into dominating every possible avenue of influence and indoctrination of evil-schools, television, movies, books, music, toys, clubs, governments, churches, the courts, the The children, first in the womb, and then as young as possible, are to be snatched from their innocence and made into tools of perversion, abused, treated like a commodity, turned into the next soldiers of Satan.

    The old pagan barbarianism of Rome prior to its Christianization has returned and is flourishing.

    • Birgit Atherton Jones

      “He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.” ~ Adolf Hitler

    • Ticked Parent

      2 Timothy 4:3: “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires.”

    • pupsncats

      This verse from the Bible is so true, isn’t it?

  • Andre B

    The Boy Scouts, on the other hand, have decided to show their feminine side. Not to appear overly male, their leadership has decided that water guns are forbidden. That’s right, it’s too violent to point a colorful plastic toy, containing water, at a fellow scout. Not to be forgotten are the equally enlightened parameters for water balloons – they must not be larger than a ping pong ball.

    First of all, water guns are not forbidden, they are just simply not allowed to point them at people. Second, given some of the more recent high-profile incidents involving law-enforcement shooting children playing with toy-guns, I’m not sure why your first instinct would be to accuse the Scouts of being feminine, and not looking out for the safety of the children. Third, I’m not sure exactly how super-soaker fights fits in with the various oaths and goals of the Boy Scouts:

    Scout Oath

    On my honor I will do my best
    To do my duty to God and my country
    and to obey the Scout Law;
    To help other people at all times;
    To keep myself physically strong,
    mentally awake, and morally straight.

    Scout Law

    A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly,
    courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty,
    brave, clean, and reverent.

    http://www.scouting.org/Home/BoyScouts.aspx

    The BSA’s goal is to train youth in responsible citizenship, character development, and self-reliance through participation in a wide range of outdoor activities, educational programs, and, at older age levels, career-oriented programs in partnership with community organizations.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America

    Lastly, since you seem to view shooting a water gun at somebody else as masculine, you can rest assured that these (possibly more masculine) activities are still allowed:

    Fire Building

    Fishing

    Hiking

    Horseback Riding

    Hunting

    Map and Compass

    Mountain Boarding

    Mountaineering

    Orienteering

    Pioneering

    Rope Bridges/Pioneering Towers

    Survival Training

    Winter Camping

    Flag Football

    Ice Hockey

    Ice Skating

    Skiing/Snowboarding

    Sledding/Tubing

    Soccer

    Street Hockey

    Search and Rescue Missions

    Ski Touring

    All-Terrain Vehicles (ATV)

    Dirt Bikes

    Driving Derbies

    Personal Watercraft (PWC)

    Snowmobiles

    .22 Rifle

    Air Rifle (pellet guns)

    Archery

    BB Guns

    Large-Bore Rifles

    Muzzleloaders

    Pistols

    Shotguns

    Slingshots

    Belaying

    Bouldering

    Caving

    Climbing

    Advanced Climbing

    Rock Climbing

    Lead Climbing

    Rappeling

    Snow and Ice Climbing

    Canopy Tours

    Zip Lines

    Canoeing

    Kayaking

    Motorboating

    Rafting

    Rowing

    Sailboarding

    Sailing

    Snorkeling

    Surfing

    Swimming

    Tubing (floating in an inner tube)

    Tow Sports (including waterskiing, wakeboarding, kneeboarding, and tubing)

    http://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2015/05/06/water-guns-ok-for-target-shooting-not-for-firing-at-other-scouts/

    • Birgit Atherton Jones

      That was covered…”That’s right, it’s too violent to point a colorful plastic toy, containing water, at a fellow scout.”

      In the ‘good old days’ boys were boys and played with toy guns. They also shot arrows with their bows and gave their friends a good soaking with a water pistol. These days they aren’t even allowed to point their finger or a stick at their imaginary foes. There was even an incident where a Pop Tart was too similar in shape to a gun.

      Wouldn’t it be more realistic and of societal benef to teach responsible gun use, moral concern for the well being of others, and a healthy respect of authority?

    • Andre B

      That was covered…

      I mean, I know you covered it…I quoted that bit as well. That you made a false statement, but went on to make a more correct statement doesn’t change the fact that the preceding statement was not at all true.

      In the ‘good old days’ boys were boys and played with toy guns.

      Yes, and today we have boys like Tamir Rice gunned down by police for playing with toy guns. I notice you didn’t address this part of my comment.

      These days they aren’t even allowed to point their finger or a stick at their imaginary foes.

      Which, in the context of the Boy Scouts, makes sense. It’s not the Army, their mission isn’t to teach young boys to shoot at people.

      Wouldn’t it be more realistic and of societal benef to teach responsible gun use

      Wouldn’t dialogue me more useful if you actually read the comments your responding to, or the links provided? If you are at all interested in what the Boy Scouts do teach – and not just trying to keep the culture war going – you can find out here: http://www.scouting.org/filestore/Outdoor%20Program/pdf/30931_WB.pdf

    • Birgit Atherton Jones

      I see your point, so I’ve added ‘can be’ to forbidden. Now would you like to talk about the elephant in the room? Of all of the points made in the article, the one referencing water guns only played a miniscule, supporting role. Certainly you can discern that the overall topic isn’t about water guns at all!

    • Andre B

      What is the elephant in the room?

      The title of the article is “Beware, These Aren’t Your Parents’ Scouts!”, so one would think that the overall topic would deal primarily with the Scouts. Instead, aside from a quick reminder that the GS are (allegedly) in league with PP, and that the BS allow boy gay members and troop leaders, you only briefly touch on the GS allowing trans members (though here you also mis-characterize, see below*) and the BS not being allowed to super-soak each other. The rest of the piece has little to nothing to do with the Scouts, and is instead a rant about what you view as our society’s moral decline re: sexuality and gender issues. So, I apologize, it’s not at all clear which elephant is the being discussed.

      Now, for what it’s worth, I think the Scouts are about preparing young people to be good citizens. It’s not primarily about ‘boys being boys’ or ‘girls being girls’, it’s about boys and girls learning skills and becoming better people, albeit in a fun (and safe!) environment. Why should gays be excluded from these groups?

      * Re: GS and trans kids, you said:

      The Girl Scouts have decided to embrace cross-dressing children into their club. So if your little girl doesn’t want to share her troop with a boy in girl’s clothing, too bad!

      Again, all one needs to do is actually look at what the GS’ actual policies are.

      Q: What is Girl Scouts’ position on serving transgender youth?

      A: Girl Scouts is proud to be the premiere leadership organization for girls in the country. Placement of transgender youth is handled on a case-by-case basis, with the welfare and best interests of the child and the members of the troop/group in question a top priority. That said, if the child is recognized by the family and school/community as a girl and lives culturally as a girl, then Girl Scouts is an organization that can serve her in a setting that is both emotionally and physically safe.

      Q: How does Girl Scouts’ position on serving transgender youth apply to situations involving camping or volunteers?

      A: These situations are rare and are considered individually with the best interests of all families in mind. Should any girl requiring special accommodations wish to camp, GSUSA recommends that the local council makes similar accommodation that schools across the country follow in regard to changing, sleeping arrangements, and other travel-related activities. With respect to volunteers, Girl Scouts welcomes both male and female adult volunteers and has developed appropriate safeguards regarding roles and responsibilities to ensure that girls receive the proper supervision and support.

      EDIT to include source: http://www.girlscouts.org/program/basics/faith/faqs.asp#a5

      ‘If you don’t like it, too bad’ doesn’t seem to be the correct way to characterize ‘case by case with the best interests of all a top priority’.

    • Birgit Atherton Jones

      The article title indeed identifies the scouts as a source of concern for children (and parents) today. In reading the content, one can easily surmise that the ever blurring lines of gender characteristics and sexuality comprise the overall topic. The scouts (for both genders) are major players in the attempt to deny the unique identity of male and female. That you disagree with this assessment does nothing to negate the message shared or the genuine concern felt by parents who adhere to their God-given roles in the nuclear family – and wish the same for the children placed into their faithful care.

    • El_Tigre_Loco

      I was sexually abused in the boy scouts in the 1950’s. BSA has always been a magnet for deviants.

    • SnowRose

      I am so sorry that happened to you, I can not even begin to imagine. Lord have Mercy!

    • Andre B

      I don’t think I’m familiar enough with the history of the scouts to say whether or not it’s correct to say the BSA have “always been a magnet for deviants”.

      I will say a few things though. First, sexual abuse is more than just deviant, it’s a criminal act – I hope that whoever abused you was found, tried and convicted, and you have my sympathy. Second, you seem to be conflating homosexuality and pedophilia, which I believe is a mistake. I am unaware of any evidence that homosexuals are more prone to sexually abusing minors than heterosexuals are.

    • Mercydivine

      I am unaware of any evidence that homosexuals are more prone to sexually abusing minors than heterosexuals are.

      Homosexuals have a much higher rate of abuse than heterosexuals. I believe it’s one-third of gays as compared to less than 10% of heterosexuals. But beside that, the Catholic Church’s sex abuse scandal was overwhelmingly homosexual abuse against teenage boys and young men, over three quarters of the abuse.

    • Andre B

      Well shucks. You can now just apparently make claims with no evidence whatsoever and expect people to take you seriously.

    • Mercydivine

      Look it up and face the truth.

    • Mercydivine

      Forgot…John Jay Study (original before the gays revised it) on Catholic Priest sex abuse scandal, over 81% male abuse with 5% pedophilia, and 76% homosexual abuse.

    • Andre B

      “before the gays revised it”

      Well now my hopes for promising dialogue are sky high! How did “the gays” go about revising the report? Where can I find the original report?

    • Mercydivine

      Apparently you are clueless about evil.

    • Mercydivine

      Infiltration, infiltration, infiltration! They’re great at it! Infiltration of the courts, schools, churches, businesses, etc. The devil’s time is short though.

    • Andre B

      Perhaps you’ll be so kind as to link to a copy of the “original” (non-gay-tampered) report, in the mean time, from the revised report: http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/child-and-youth-protection/upload/The-Nature-and-Scope-of-Sexual-Abuse-of-Minors-by-Catholic-Priests-and-Deacons-in-the-United-States-1950-2002.pdf

      – pedophilia 47% (if defined as younger than 13 yrs old) and 60% (if you include 13 yrs old) [pg 70]

      Now, I’m no math genius, but your claim that “over three quarters of the abuse” involved teenagers just doesn’t match the John Jay findings.

      As to your initial comment that “Homosexuals have a much higher rate of abuse than heterosexuals”, I’ve yet to see you support this. For what it’s worth, the follow-up report to the USCCB by the John Jay Research Team had this to say:

      There has been widespread speculation that homosexual identity is linked to the sexual abuse of minors by priests, largely because of the high number of male victims identified in the Nature and Scope study. However, the clinical data do not support this finding. Treatment data show that priests who identified as homosexual, as well as those who participated in same-sex sexual behavior prior to ordination (regardless of sexual identity), were not significantly more likely to abuse minors than priests who identified as heterosexual.

      http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/child-and-youth-protection/upload/The-Causes-and-Context-of-Sexual-Abuse-of-Minors-by-Catholic-Priests-in-the-United-States-1950-2010.pdf

    • Mercydivine

      Revised by the infiltrators in the gay lobby.
      5% pedophilia, 76% homosexual abuse.
      The truth will set you free.
      The ‘whitewash’ was a cover-up too!

    • Andre B

      Look, this is all quite simple. You are invited to demonstrate the existence of the not-revised-by-gays report that presumably would support your claim. Help me find the truth.

    • Andre B

      I mean, there’s no point in trying to dialogue with you if you’re going to refer to stats from a supposedly suppressed original draft which you can not show evidence for.

      However, for posterity / lurkers.

      You’re being sloppy with your terms, and as a result, in addition to being un-evidenced, your percentages are wrong, by definition. Puberty is not a line in the sand, it’s a years long process, the beginning of which, incidentally, is commonly understood as the beginning of adolescence. So not only is it a mistake to conflate, as you seem to, adolescence with post-pubescence, but it’s also a mistake to use the same figure (95%) to refer to pubescent and post-pubescent when the time between onset and completion of puberty is generally about 4 years.

      Now, you would have us believe that the original version of the report -which now lists post-pubescent (15 and up) victims as just 27% of the total – previously had that figure as 95%? My goodness, that gay lobby must have had something big on John Jay and/or the USCCB.

    • Mercydivine

      And there’s no point in dialoguing with someone who has an agenda, to cover-up the homosexual sex abuse scandal. Perhaps this link might help your confused mind comprehend the scope of this gay sex abuse scandal

      http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/john-jay-study-undermined-by-its-own-data/

    • Andre B

      You might want to work on your reading comprehension. You keep saying that 95% were not victims of pedophilia…but you arrive at the 95% by way of the 5% of priests who the study states fit the profile of pedophile. Victim != priest. As the report defines pre-pubescent (10 and under), 22% were victims of pedophilia*. It’s worth noting that pedophilia is elsewhere defined as 13 and under, in which case the percentage of victims rises to 60%.

      *I don’t think it can be stressed enough, if we’re talking about agendas and cover-ups, that it is enormously misleading for the NCR to characterize the 78% of victims 11 and older as “post-pubescent”.

    • Mercydivine

      Did you know that confusion is from the Devil?
      But you know what…personal attacks confirm you lost the argument. Thanks and have a great life. I truly wish you well and hope you find peace.
      The article is about the infiltration of gays into the Boy Scouts. And no they shouldn’t be allowed considering their history of abuse in the Priesthood. Thanks again.

    • Andre B

      Oh please. Personal attacks? So far you’ve called me clueless, confused, and accused me of having an agenda. You’ve done these things, all the while citing a study that you don’t seem to understand. Your reaction to this being pointed out to you is to…declare victory and run away?

    • Paul B. Lot

      He must be French.

    • Mercydivine

      “Puberty is not a line in the sand, it’s a years long process, the beginning of which, incidentally,he beginning of which, incidentally, is commonly understood as the beginning of adolescence”

      Adolescence 10-16 years

    • Andre B

      I’m not sure what your point is, though this is a good example of your conflating all these terms as if they mean the same thing the context of the ages of these victims. Teenager != adolescent != post-pubescent.

    • Snow Rose

      I would not say the Church cowers in fear, it’s that many of the Priests and Bishops involved were also homosexual, or had that tendency and so helped in the cover-up. The truth will all come out soon… but not by man’s hand.

    • Mercydivine

      The original didn’t suit those sympathetic to the gay agenda it’s long gone.

    • Paul B. Lot

      What was the age-break-down of the 19% of female victims, according to the repressed study you’re citing?

      “Pedophilia” is not gender-specific, so if any number of those female victims were in the same age-range as the 5% of males your version cites, you’re going to have to revise your numbers.

    • Snow Rose

      There is plenty of evidence that this true and I could site many studies for you but I won’t because you will claim they are biased etc. etc. etc. We’ve heard it all. And if you were honest you could actually research this and read it yourself.

    • Andre B

      I can’t imagine what makes you think that I would automatically discount any evidence you produced. I don’t think I’ve done so in any of my responses to others here, and have supported most of the points I’ve made here using the very sources that the others have provided. What specifically makes you think I’m not being honest?

      I suppose you are demonstrating honesty of a kind by disclosing your prejudice up-front. Still, I can’t help but think that a true Christian would not purposefully withhold the truth from others. If you have studies that show what you claim, if not for my sake, for the sake of posterity, do cite them.

    • Snow Rose

      Is there any reason you can not go look this up for yourself? Why do people always want others on these blogs to do the work for them? I spent time looking this up and also speaking in person to Priests about it..why can’t you do this? Either it is true or it is not…there isn’t any reason for people to lie about it unless they have something to hide or an agenda to protect.

    • Andre B

      I’m starting to feel like you’re not really interested in helping me find the truth 🙁

      Is there any reason you can not go look this up for yourself?

      Two reasons come immediately to mind: 1) you have already stated that you can cite many studies, so why duplicate your work?; and 2) maybe I won’t find the same studies!

      Why do people always want others on these blogs to do the work for them?

      I’m curious, do you understand the concept of ‘burden of proof’? You responded to a comment where I was asking for somebody to substantiate the un-evidenced claim that “Homosexuals have a much higher rate of abuse than heterosexuals.” Reasoned dialogue works best is when the person making the claim can support the claim, don’t you think?

      Why, if you think you have knowledge of the truth, are you so unwilling to share it? I’ll repeat my earlier question: what specifically makes you think I’m not being honest?

    • Snow Rose

      You’re exactly right Andre B. I’m not interested in playing your game. I’m done posting.

    • dave

      I think it isn’t a coincidence that overwhelmingly it was men who were going after prepubescent boys as compared to men abusing girls. So even if there may not be a “study” the facts tell me, at least in the case of the church, it was homosexuals

    • Andre B

      You don’t think opportunity had anything to do with the high percentage of male victims?

      Take prisons, for example. Do you think that those who perpetrate rape or otherwise engage in homosexual activity consider themselves to be gay? Do you think they all engaged in homosexual acts prior to incarceration? Or is it just that there are only men around to abuse?

      Edit an R

    • dave

      No, I don’t think it was about opportunity. They were around girls just as often

    • Andre B

      I don’t see how you could support such a statement. First of all “around just as often” is too vague to be useful, so perhaps you’ll clarify.

      Let’s take what I would think are the two most common interactions between priests and children, both of which seem to offer reasonable opportunities for unsupervised interaction; alter servers and students at gendered Catholic schools.

      Until relatively recently, to the best of my knowledge, only boys served at mass. Whatever the gender breakdown is today, I don’t think you can argue with the claim that, historically, this would represent a situation were only males were available to abuse.

      Let’s look at all-boy / all-girl schools. If the below list of Catholic schools in NY are at all representative, it seems like most of the all-girl schools are staffed by nuns and sisters, and most of the all-boy were staffed by priests and brothers. I would guess that historically it would be even more segregated, and that priests were far more likely to teach in all-boy environments than in co-ed or all-girl ones.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_schools_in_the_Roman_Catholic_Archdiocese_of_New_York

      Again, I have no idea how you would support the claim that priests have just as many opportunities to abuse girls as they do boys.

    • Mercydivine

      Of course, it wasn’t about opportunity. This is all to cover-up the truth. To confuse the situation and take the heat off the homosexual abuse which was the majority.

    • Mercydivine

      Opportunity? You and the Church and the revisionists in this cover-up are all in denial.

    • Paul B. Lot
    • Snow Rose

      The rest of the piece has little to nothing to do with the Scouts, and
      is instead a rant about what you view as our society’s moral decline re:
      sexuality and gender issues.
      Wow, well, she is after all, the author and so can write about whatever she wishes and give her writing whatever title she wishes.
      Anyone born a female will always be a female. Born male, always male. Surgery and emotional issues or feelings do not change that. You seem to be the one with the “rant” here.

    • Andre B

      Snow,

      You’re a bit late to this party, but I don’t mind too much. You do, however, appear to have missed the context of my comment. I was responding to her accusation that I wasn’t addressing ‘the elephant in the room’ and/or the ‘overall topic’, by noting that it was difficult to discern what the overall topic was, given how little the piece had to do with the titular scouts.

      You’re absolutely correct that she’s free to write and title her pieces any way she pleases. On the other hand, when you title something X, and mostly deal with Y, it’s poor form to criticize somebody for *only* responding to X.

    • Paul B. Lot

      You seem to be saying that persons who develop from fertilized eggs which are either [XX] or [XY] will have those sex chromosomes for the rest of their lives.

      Thus the gender of the person is directly and permanently linked to the status of their sex chromosomes.

      This does not seem like a wholly unreasonable statement to me.

      But it does raise a series of questions in my mind the first of which is:

      What if a person develops from a fertilized egg with an abnormal number or shape/composition of sex chromosomes?

      Sex Chromosomes — Gender
      [XX] — Female
      [XY] — Male
      [XXX] — Female
      [XYY] — Male
      [XXYY] –Male
      [XXXY] — Male
      [XXXX] — Female

      But what if a person develops from two fertilized embryos which fuse?

      Hermaphrodites?

      Chimeras?

      What if the neurological and gonadal tissues which form during the development of a given embryo cause the adult person to have hormonal and brain-pattern changes in response to the same sex which mirror the responses normally observed in the opposite sex?

      I have more questions once we cover these basics, but for now I would appreciate your analysis on how our assignment of gender interacts with a human’s DNA, hormones, and neurology.

    • Thomas Sharpe

      I have a question. It’s simple. Will you leave the Scouts if and when they allow openly active homosexual adult men to be Scoutmasters?

    • Andre B

      I don’t plan on it

    • Thomas Sharpe

      Even if everyone else leaves?

    • Andre B

      Why would they?

    • I would not either….